It’s important to find shared mutual interest across traditional political lines, and I’m glad these two parties have.

Counter rallies countrywide are being held on October 19th. Share the word. Bring as many friends as you can. Numbers are our strength.

Oath. That Nazi press announcement says they’re worried this second rally won’t get enough support. Obviously they’re going to show up anyway, just as cowards hiding in the crowd. But it’s a clear signal to us: they believe these racist rallies are not in a strong position. The NSN’s own crowd manipulation, open violence and frustration split the support for their rally and now we have a chance to come out in numbers and push them further into hiding.

He thinks that the Nazi wannabes are just a fringe group who turned up to try to recruit but they weren’t really involved.

And they’ve created that impression on purpose. Neo-Nazis are well aware that even most other nationalists dislike them, underhanded tactics and media manipulation are their bread and butter by necessity. So they control this “neutral” event that just coincidentally happens to be filled with NSN marshals, just happened to have NSN speakers and NSN equipment, and through their planning, managed to be front and centre.

It might just be another circular discussion, but if it comes up again it could be possible to explain to that landlord that even if the NSN are fringe, they’re an organised group, and they successfully volunteered to become the major state organisers of M4A and successfully hijacked the event, and they’ll do it again. It doesn’t really matter if the rest of the crowd is sincere because they’re running the show.

The kicker is that he is the child of German immigrants with a grandfather that was press ganged into the Nazi support apparatus as the Nazis were after competent photographers, you would think with that sort of family history he would be a bit wiser to the kinds of tactics fascists employ to foster a sense of acceptance and complacency in the general population for their batshit crazy movement.

Exactly. They act as a violent gang.

One thing, which is obvious to learn but can be harder to realise, is that Fascist ideology explicitly disagrees with the concept of Liberalism. And I don’t mean ‘progressivism’, liberalism as in liberty, individual rights, the marketplace of ideas, liberal democracy. The fascist framework doesn’t value good faith, it sees it as a joke, a vulnerability to exploit. They exploit liberal values, appealing to a right to free expression when it suits them and trying to deplatform anyone who says what they don’t like. They say they’ll come in uniform and then stack the front rows with their plainclothed cronies, their known members as marshals, and organisers downplaying or denying their clear links to the NSN.

The bottom line is, there isn’t really much substance to Nazi ideology, even comparing it to Classical Fascism. It’s not a cohesive worldview, it’s a syncretic mash. There are former neo-Nazis (including a former moderator of the infamous Stormfront forum) who openly say that they didn’t believe the Great Replacement propaganda they pushed, they knew it was ridiculous^[1]. They don’t just lie occasionally, they systemically lie and they have no shame about it, it’s fun for them.

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

• Jean-Paul Sartre, 1946

They weren’t attacked because some of them were Jewish. That’s coincidental. We don’t go around saying Normandy D-Day was anti-German sentiment, or that the Allied Kokoda Trail campaign was an anti-Asian project. It’s an attack against settlers occupying territory. If you have a problem with that or how it was done, then that’s valid, but to consider it antisemitic is mischaracterising it completely.

A big part of the Zionist Regime’s propaganda (for many decades) is to try and conflate Jewishness with their ethnostate, and to label critisism of their state policy as antisemitic, even when voiced by Jewish people. Is it antisemitic of my Jewish friends who call for the fall of the Zionist Regime? Are the Jews Against the Occupation '48 group here an antisemitic organisation? Are the orthodox rabbis who’ve burnt Israel flags antisemitic? If you ask the Zionists, “yes!”, they arrogantly claim to be the one true voice of Jewish people.

Thanks for sharing the re-upload. I wanted to start archiving Tom’s videos after hearing about the Auspill/Klesum video being copyright claimed and TOTAL ARYAN FAILURE being age-gated but I didn’t get around to it yet. Lesson learned.

It will be interesting to see how this con pans out. Even fellow NSN neo-Nazis like JoeI Davis have cried on podcast about how the attack on Camp Sovereignty “made them look like” unhinged violent thugs. There were various degrees of rejection like booing and leaving when open Nazis took the microphone at various March for Australia rallies and spouted their junk (among others supporting them). The (former) Adelaide March for Australia organiser is openly calling out the NSN. The Freedom cookers’ “Australia Unites” rallies last weekend explicitly stated on their website: “NEO NAZIS ARE NOT WELCOME -NO RACISM OR ANY ACTS OF HATE OR VIOLENCE WILL BE TOLERATED IN ANY CAPACITY.” It’s clear that lots of attendees felt like their movement was “hijacked” by Nazis. Now, the truth is that it was Nazis running it the whole time, but nonetheless they made their target audience feel cheated with their subversive tactics and their shameless tactlessness. They’ve alienated the broader “patriotic” nationalist movement by conning them.

As said in the article, “Jordan McSwiney says the marches drew crowds only because most people hadn’t realised who was really involved,” and it seems like they no longer have that plausible deniability outside of the few groups in certain news filter bubbles.

Also, what the heck is up with this bit:

Later, the NSN railed against the lead Brisbane organiser for allegedly breaking a “deal” that Hersant could speak officially to the crowd. The organiser, who goes by “Bender” online and has previously posted neo-Nazi content, said he and his family were now receiving serious threats to “love the NSN”– or else.

I’ve seen screencaps of the social media account of that “Bender” account where they have an avatar profile picture of a black sun Sonnenrad, a well-known neo-Nazi symbol. So I’m surprised to see them being bullied by the cult. I forgot how much these idiots love infighting.

It’s like Reclaim Australia and all the other attempts of fascists to try and host nationalist anti-immigration rallies. We gave them an inch. Now they’ll try and make these happen every month.

They are planning another rally on Oct 19. Various locations have already announced counter rallies.

I heard on the grapevine that PAG have agreed to join the Sydney counterrally this time instead of holding their Palestine march separately. Last time was a letdown when they split the counterprotest.

A couple of coworkers were talking at the pub about the nazis at the March for Australia so I’ll try and convince them to come along this time.

Michael Rosen - Facsism: (video reading)

I sometimes fear that 
people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress 
worn by grotesques and monsters 
as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis. 

Fascism arrives as your friend. 
It will restore your honour, 
make you feel proud, 
protect your house, 
give you a job, 
clean up the neighbourhood, 
remind you of how great you once were, 
clear out the venal and the corrupt, 
remove anything you feel is unlike you...

It doesn't walk in saying, 
"Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution."

The idea of “AI solving” some social crisis is a farce. The problem isn’t that we don’t know what policies will improve the situation. An AI program or a simulation doesn’t have the political power necessary to solve any of these problems.

You make a good point that law shouldn’t be applied based off belief.

However, and I’m not saying this in regard to your point but as an independent sidenote, we must remember that Sewer isn’t just someone who believes things, they lead a violent cult. They’ve been repeatedly convicted of affray and violent disorder among other things. Neo-Nazism isn’t some abstract harmless idea, and given their context, these threats are not the same as if you or I performed them.

It’s a monopoly conspiracy! Big Sausage won’t get away with this.

Will do! Have a great time on Monday :)

[just fyi] - The Labour Day public holiday isn’t today in any state (AFAIK), this is for May Day/International Workers’ Day.

Yes. If this is pointing out a contradiction, I can’t see it.

If you want to bring back 21 April for commemorating Australian/Victorian workers too, I will gladly join you. They deserve it. I’m saying that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t also partake in May Day (May 1), which is an international day like the Christmas holiday. Christmas still celebrates an international religious event even if the day it’s usually celebrated on was chosen by Romans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workers'_Day

Labour Day

The Australian public holiday differs by state. I think only two of them celebrate in March. May Day is an internationally recognised date, even if the specific date was chosen to commemorate a US event.

Of course! I’ve definitely got Labor above Liberal above ON. But Labor are around the halfway mark on my ballots, my electorate is blessed with better options.

If the end result is no legislation being passed then surely you agree that its not a win.

Yes, and if we’re looking at the here-and-now then objectively less housing was built and people suffered. You’re absolutely right about that.

However, my experience and perspective is that Labor are the problem in that situation, and that’s not just some blame game or complaint, it’s part of a bigger picture that Labor are a conservative force who will never do enough by choice. They’ve long abandoned their labour roots and having talked with many current and former Labor rank-and-file, there’s pretty strong signs of corruption and elitism dominating the party. So unless there is material pressure on them, enough to dominate their own interests and those of their backers, they will simply just sit comfortably as “better than the Coalition”, similarly to the US Democratic Party in their two-party system - they ended up being the moderate billionaires’ party, hijacking progressive symbolism to cover for their selling-out. And we saw the inevitable result: a steady ratcheting shift towards oligarchy.

The point of that quick rant is that, the solution - not just small wins but the solution - can’t be to just work with Labor. They will appease people with little short term gains, but rarely-if-ever enough to solve these problems. They’re just not positioned to, even if most of their members want them to, because they’re beholden to their bigger backers. If we want to actually solve these problems, the worker class needs to build collective political power and force the government’s hand away from the business-owning class and towards us. The union movement is being repressed harder and harder even under Labor, so in lieu of reliable union power, the next best option is to replace Labor with the Greens, who have at least shown some level of integrity and independence from the ruling class and have shown backbone in demanding the necessary dedication towards solving the housing crisis. Yes, their resistance resulted in a real loss, but if enough people see that Labor refuses to do enough and saw what Greens were struggling for, and that ends up giving the Greens more support and more power, perhaps enough to force through legislation in a few years, then that will be a profound long-term win. I know that may sound like a gamble, but the growth of the smaller parties is consistent and given the track record of Labor over the last century, getting rid of them will be worth the unfortunate and real losses that come from when when Labor stubbornly refuse to help this country.

“Joined forces” is a dodgy way for them to frame that. Libs and Greens both wanted different outcomes. The Greens weren’t being unreasonable and showed themselves to be open to compromise, during a housing crisis.

It’s great to see that more and more people are voting away from the ALP and Coalition every election. The false dichotomy rhetoric of “they’re better than the other party” is just insufferable, and the US has shown us how the two-party duopoly plays out.

Investigate your candidates. Don’t assume all independents and minor parties are different, many are former members of the big parties. There are plenty of resources other lovely aussies have posted in the past couple of weeks so just ask around.

Meaningful change or nothing? Blame labor all you want, the greens voted against an improvement.

Fuck ideals, I want progress.

But these aren’t ideals. Those are necessary material requirements for resolving the housing crisis. Shelter, one of the most basic requirements for people to be productive in a modern society. Idealism would be dropping the $56+ billion defense fund to zero and putting it all into housing until we can secure our own population.

Fuck the bare minimum, I want this problem solved before I die. History has shown that without real pressure from unions and “radicals”, Labor might not have even solved segregation (but they’d be making progress).

Def +1 on checking out candidates and independents. Gotta love the “just left [x] party because of one issue” independents everywhere.

haha wow, “intellectual property” is a scam